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    Clustering is no longer difficult.  There are several versions for
    Linux already out there.  All of them allow clustering via ethernet
    so you -could- get, say, 5 pc's each with a dual-core GPU (what,
    $500 per computer?) and let-er-rip.  If ethernet is too slow a link,
    others are available but I am not personally familiar with any of
    them.<br>
    See Linux Beowulf cluster.  To fully optimize a task, it's best to
    have the source so you can tweak it, but with Beowulf clusters, it's
    not necessary.  Just feed it your existing binary and the OS cluster
    manager will do it's best to divide the task among the nodes.<br>
    <br>
    Shoot, might be fun just to set one up and run your task to see how
    it compares to the Xeon box.<br>
    <br>
    Does the state of Alabama still have it's supecomputer up?  It's
    here in Huntsville.  Cheap, too.  I don't remember their hardware.<br>
    <br>
    David M.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Stephan Henning wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CACu1UD6yawMK-57Ybo7rfGi1rdtXrzFuvZ34g49-yq=QOhuB0A@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>Very much drool worthy, until you realize that it's still
          not fast enough. Then you just want to smack your head against
          the table. <br>
          <br>
        </div>
        I actually called Oak Ridge at one point to see what's invovled
        in getting time on their cluster for a lark. This program would
        not scale well to a distributed environment though, the way it's
        coded it's designed to fully utilize every resource it can in a
        single node. <br>
        <div>
          <div>
            <div><br>
              Nope, it's solid data. There is some compression that is
              being done to eliminate redundant data (I think), but that
              is black magic to me. <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>Hopefully I can get the metrics I need out of one of
              the tools mentioned here. This is a test box, we've stolen
              the gpu's out of it's twin machine to try and stress these
              SSDs to see if we can observe a new bottleneck in the
              system. On a mechanical array we couldn't feed data to
              more than 2 of the K10 cards before we saturated what the
              drive array. Mechanical drives just can't sustain the
              read/write speeds the GPUs need.<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>The 'dream' here would be if could get a single host
              node connected to several PCI expansion boxes, each one
              containing 4 or 6 k10 cards, with between 16 and 24 k10's
              total per node. To make that work I think the entire
              problem would need to be GPU accelerated and the node
              would need to have at least 512Gb of ram to buffer enough
              data to keep up with the cards and I think we might get
              close to saturating the PCIe bus with that...<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>Anyway, enough daydreaming, one step at a time. <br>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:18 PM, David
          <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:ainut@knology.net" target="_blank">ainut@knology.net</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <drool>  Ok,
              I've gotten control of myself.  <br>
              <br>
              This huge file that holds temp data, it's not by chance a
              sparse matrix, is it?  You might could reduce the file
              size (and times) if it is.  <br>
              <br>
              David M.<br>
              grasping at straws.
              <div>
                <div class="h5"><br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <div>Stephan Henning wrote:<br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div dir="ltr">
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <div>Well, the only issue there is that the
                            file size changes based on the problem size.
                            Every problem creates a file of a different
                            size, and the block sizes and the timings
                            for when the blocks are requested are not
                            necessarily consistent between problems.<br>
                            <br>
                          </div>
                          Ya, the write life is something I've been
                          paying very careful attention to. Thankfully,
                          even under this very heavy use case, they
                          should last at least a year, probably closer
                          to 5 before we have to pull them out. This
                          really large file is not mission critical,
                          it's effectively a giant lookup table that is
                          used to perform the calculations. Once the
                          'answer' is generated, that table is basically
                          useless. The final 'answer' file is usually
                          less that 100megs, so backing that up is a
                          trivial challenge :). <br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        Ya, the SSDs are nice. I'm trying to collect
                        this data to get a better idea if it's worth it
                        to look at the SAN flash arrays that are on the
                        market. The bad thing is this use case is very
                        unique compared to what these SAN arrays are
                        designed for (typically high end Oracle
                        databases), so it's difficult for their
                        engineers to fully grasp what our need is. I was
                        hoping that being able to hand them a chart
                        package that shows how all these metrics vary
                        over the course of the problem would give them a
                        better idea of what our need is, but generating
                        these metrics is becoming an adventure in it's
                        own right. <br>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      The box that has the SSDs in it has 4 K10's doing
                      the computation. Hence the need for fast data
                      delivery :). <br>
                    </div>
                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                      <br>
                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at
                        3:14 PM, David <span dir="ltr"><<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:ainut@knology.net"
                            target="_blank">ainut@knology.net</a>></span>
                        wrote:<br>
                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0
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                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> You
                            might write a separate program whose only
                            function is to write files of that size and
                            do the timings for you.<br>
                            <br>
                            Btw, you are aware that there are only so
                            many writes you can do to SSD before they're
                            used up, right?  If this is mission critical
                            data, you may want to keep frequent backups
                            on other media.<br>
                            <br>
                            Still, having huge SSD's, and several of
                            them to boot, makes me jealous!  :)
                            <div>
                              <div><br>
                                <br>
                                David M.<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <div>Stephan Henning wrote:<br>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div dir="ltr">
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>The program will write out
                                          a file of variable size, it's
                                          based on the problem being
                                          run. Currently, it writes out
                                          approximately 1.5TB for the
                                          benchmark problem, most of
                                          that contained in a single
                                          file, much too large for a
                                          ramdisk. Unfortunately, the
                                          problems have grown so large
                                          that they can't be run in ram
                                          any more. This is a GPU
                                          accelerated program so this
                                          file gets modified very
                                          heavily during the process of
                                          a run. <br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        Current testing is being done on
                                        a Raid0 of 5c Crucial 960G SSDs.
                                        This has proven to be
                                        significantly faster than the
                                        old array, but I am trying to
                                        determine exactly how hard the
                                        disks are being hammered so I
                                        can try and optimize the
                                        hardware configuration. <br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      The program is compiled from
                                      source, but I'm not involved in
                                      that process, I'd much rather try
                                      and piggyback something and
                                      monitor the process than try and
                                      go in and have something added to
                                      source. <br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    I'll add parted and gparted to my
                                    list of things to read up on,
                                    thanks. <br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec
                                      12, 2013 at 12:29 AM, David <span
                                        dir="ltr"><<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:ainut@knology.net"
                                          target="_blank">ainut@knology.net</a>></span>
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                        <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
                                          text="#000000"> Excellent
                                          approach.
                                          <div>
                                            <div><br>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                              <div>Arthur wrote:<br>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote type="cite">
                                                <div dir="ltr">How big
                                                  are the files that
                                                  you're dealing with?
                                                  <div>If they're small
                                                    you can just make a
                                                    ramdisk and try
                                                    running everything
                                                    in there.</div>
                                                  <div>It's not a final
                                                    solution, but
                                                    between that and
                                                    strace you should be
                                                    able to see if
                                                    that's really the
                                                    issue or not.</div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>Are you compiling
                                                    from source?  If you
                                                    are, then there are
                                                    a bunch of debugging
                                                    tools you can use as
                                                    well as doing things
                                                    like timing
                                                    individual commands,
                                                    and seeing how many
                                                    times each line of
                                                    code is run.</div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <div
                                                    class="gmail_quote">On
                                                    Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at
                                                    10:48 PM, Stephan
                                                    Henning <span
                                                      dir="ltr"><<a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:shenning@gmail.com" target="_blank">shenning@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                    wrote:<br>
                                                    <blockquote
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                                                      <div dir="ltr">This
                                                        is a RedHat6
                                                        Enterprise
                                                        install. 
                                                        <div><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>I don't
                                                          think htop has
                                                          the data I
                                                          need, but I'll
                                                          check. I'm not
                                                          familiar with
                                                          ntop and I
                                                          didn't
                                                          consider using
                                                          trace for
                                                          this, I'll
                                                          check that as
                                                          well.</div>
                                                        <div><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>The goal is
                                                          to record
                                                          read/write
                                                          rates and
                                                          block sizes.
                                                          I'm pretty
                                                          sure I am
                                                          bottlenecking
                                                          against the
                                                          drive array,
                                                          I'm hoping I
                                                          can get some
                                                          definitive
                                                          answers from
                                                          this. </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra">
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On

                                                          Wed, Dec 11,
                                                          2013 at 6:01
                                                          PM, David <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ainut@knology.net" target="_blank">ainut@knology.net</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote
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                                                          bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
                                                          text="#000000">
                                                          ntop might do
                                                          the trick, but
                                                          not available
                                                          in Fedora.
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>David
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">
                                                          Can 'htop'
                                                          show open
                                                          files?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          For intensive
                                                          live net data,
                                                          look at
                                                          WireShark for
                                                          linux.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>David
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">
                                                          If that's what
                                                          you're looking
                                                          for, there are
                                                          several (free)
                                                          programs you
                                                          could run from
                                                          the command
                                                          line in a
                                                          separate
                                                          window/screen
                                                          while your
                                                          program is
                                                          running that
                                                          give you all
                                                          you're asking
                                                          about.  Sort
                                                          of an
                                                          equivalent to
                                                          Winblows
                                                          "System
                                                          Explorer." 
                                                          What flavor or
                                                          Linux are you
                                                          using? <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          David M.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>Devin
                                                          Boyer wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Try


                                                          something like
                                                          "strace -T
                                                          myapp" or
                                                          "strace -T -c
                                                          myapp";
                                                          they'll show
                                                          the system
                                                          calls being
                                                          made and the
                                                          amount of time
                                                          spent in each.
                                                           It's slightly
                                                          different
                                                          information
                                                          than iostat,
                                                          but it may be
                                                          useful in
                                                          figuring out
                                                          what and where
                                                          your program
                                                          is performing
                                                          io access.</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On


                                                          Wed, Dec 11,
                                                          2013 at 3:37
                                                          PM, Stephan
                                                          Henning <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:shenning@gmail.com" target="_blank">shenning@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>No,
                                                          iostat will
                                                          normally just
                                                          dump to the
                                                          terminal
                                                          window, but
                                                          I'd like to
                                                          pipe it's
                                                          output to a
                                                          file so I can
                                                          parse it
                                                          later. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          My end goal
                                                          here is to be
                                                          able to
                                                          generate a log
                                                          of iostat
                                                          output while I
                                                          run this
                                                          program, I'm
                                                          trying to
                                                          determine
                                                          exactly how
                                                          hard this
                                                          program is
                                                          hitting my
                                                          harddrive and
                                                          at what points
                                                          during it's
                                                          run does it
                                                          access the
                                                          drive the most
                                                          frequently. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          I've done
                                                          something
                                                          similar in
                                                          bash before,
                                                          but it is
                                                          rather clunky.
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          I'll take a
                                                          look at exec
                                                          and see if I
                                                          can use it. <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra">
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On



                                                          Wed, Dec 11,
                                                          2013 at 4:46
                                                          PM, David <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ainut@knology.net" target="_blank">ainut@knology.net</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote
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                                                          bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
                                                          text="#000000">
                                                          Do you need to
                                                          do anything
                                                          with the
                                                          results or
                                                          just need them
                                                          displayed?<br>
                                                          If you need to
                                                          manipulate the
                                                          results,
                                                          consider using
                                                          Perl, <br>
                                                          or if C or
                                                          C++,<br>
                                                          in your 'exec'
                                                          call, pipe the
                                                          output to a
                                                          file, then
                                                          just read that
                                                          file into your
                                                          program.<br>
                                                          Ain't UNIX
                                                          great?
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                                                          David M.<br>
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                                                          <div>I'd like
                                                          to take some
                                                          metrics with
                                                          iostat while I
                                                          have a
                                                          specific
                                                          program
                                                          running, is
                                                          there a way to
                                                          wrap iostat
                                                          around another
                                                          program (it is
                                                          called from
                                                          the command
                                                          line) so that
                                                          iostat ends
                                                          when the
                                                          program
                                                          finishes
                                                          running? <br>
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                                                          I know I can
                                                          do it with a
                                                          bash script,
                                                          but I'm hoping
                                                          for a more
                                                          elegant
                                                          solution. <br>
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