<div dir="ltr">Justin, David,<div><br></div><div>Please take this discussion off of the mailing list if you wish to continue to argue. This is anti-constructive and no longer on-topic.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Tyler</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><span></span>Tyler Crumpton<span><font color="#888888"><br><a href="mailto:tyler.crumpton@gmail.com" target="_blank">tyler.crumpton@gmail.com</a><br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Justin Richards <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ratmandu@gmail.com" target="_blank">ratmandu@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Nope, it was your responsibility to learn about the item you purchased. You did not research something you spent tens of thousands of dollars on. It's all on you, buddy.</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 3:30 PM, David <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ainut@knology.net" target="_blank">ainut@knology.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Are you going to fund that, Justin?<div><div><br>
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<div>Justin Richards wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This isn't some kind of <b>illuminati conspiracy</b>,
this is a device that records the last few seconds of vehicle
telemetry, including airbag deployment info, vehicle speed,
brake application time, brake force, throttle position,
accelerometer and roll/yaw data, steering position, etc.
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<div>It can be used to determine fault, though it is not enough
to truly determine that, and anyway, 99% of the time, nobody
will ever look at it.</div>
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<div>It's not something that's open, not because the car
manufacturers need to be protected, but because giving that
much raw data to your standard lay-person, especially after a
wreck, is like giving ECG output of a person having a heart
attack to a monkey, and asking the monkey to identify the
person who gave that guy a heart attack. That much raw data is
going to confuse and enrage, and there is also the issue of
bias.</div>
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<div>If you feel that it is an issue, in the event of a wreck,
you can deny law enforcement access to your OBDII port at the
scene of the wreck, and request they get a warrant for the
data, in which case you should become familiar with the
location of the EDR, and destroy it before they get the
warrant, at which point you might get a nice charge of
destruction of evidence. </div>
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<div>Otherwise, <b><font size="6">go get a vehicle that does
not have an EDR.</font></b></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:36 PM,
WebDawg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:webdawg@gmail.com" target="_blank">webdawg@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>Why not? An undocumented box that police and
insurance companies use to tell if you are at fault.
Who even knows if it works correctly and even gives real
true data.<br>
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<div>Its like the voting machine thing.<br>
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Something like this should be mandatory open, not locked
up to protect car manufactures.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at
9:15 AM, James Fluhler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:j.fluhler@gmail.com" target="_blank">j.fluhler@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Just curious but why would
you want to disable it? Presuming it does
not emit a signal and is simply a data
recorder in the vent of a crash.<br>
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On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 5:20 PM,
WebDawg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:webdawg@gmail.com" target="_blank">webdawg@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>I would think about, from
what I have read so far,
instead of disabling it
(says integrated into
electronics) figuring out a
way to auto wipe it.<br>
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<div>It looks like it records
around the crash, and has
limited capacity.<br>
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<a href="http://wiki.hackspherelabs.com/index.php?title=2010_Chevy_Equinox" target="_blank">http://wiki.hackspherelabs.com/index.php?title=2010_Chevy_Equinox</a><br>
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Chevy has a GMLAN interface
that lets you do all sorts of
stuff, i never got into it but
you can intercept and send
commands. if the box is
linked to it, that would be a
start.<br>
<br>
Someone just interfaced with a
car at defcon or some
conference I thought.<br>
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You are going to have to hack
it. I mean read this (i know it
is crappy fox news) <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/03/04/toyota-secretive-black-box-data/" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/03/04/toyota-secretive-black-box-data/</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On
Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:12
PM, David <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ainut@knology.net" target="_blank">ainut@knology.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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Just discovered my
Toyota truck has a
"black box," a data
recorder in it. How can
I disable that
<censored> and
still have the truck
work?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
David Merchant<br>
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