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No one told me it was in there before I bought it.<br>
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<div>While I do agree with the open concept and the "why not"
approach; I am not convinced it is used to determine fault, it
frankly does not record enough information to prove fault.
Although it could be used as evidence. But there are a lot of
other pieces of evidence in a car crash that help to determine
fault. I would say perhaps the single most valuable piece of
information it could record to determine fault would be speed
of travel. Toyota would argue with you that it shouldn't be
used to reconstruct an accident. <br>
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As for mandatory open, in some way I feel forcing open content
is just as bad as allowing closed. The manufacturer should have
the right to make their systems open or not, we have the right
as the consumer to buy or not buy. <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:36 PM,
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<div>Why not? An undocumented box that police and
insurance companies use to tell if you are at fault.
Who even knows if it works correctly and even gives real
true data.<br>
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<div>Its like the voting machine thing.<br>
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Something like this should be mandatory open, not locked
up to protect car manufactures.
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<div dir="ltr">Just curious but why would
you want to disable it? Presuming it does
not emit a signal and is simply a data
recorder in the vent of a crash.<br>
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<div>I would think about, from
what I have read so far,
instead of disabling it
(says integrated into
electronics) figuring out a
way to auto wipe it.<br>
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<div>It looks like it records
around the crash, and has
limited capacity.<br>
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Chevy has a GMLAN interface
that lets you do all sorts of
stuff, i never got into it but
you can intercept and send
commands. if the box is
linked to it, that would be a
start.<br>
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Someone just interfaced with a
car at defcon or some
conference I thought.<br>
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You are going to have to hack
it. I mean read this (i know it
is crappy fox news) <a
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Just discovered my
Toyota truck has a
"black box," a data
recorder in it. How can
I disable that
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still have the truck
work?<br>
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Thanks,<br>
David Merchant<br>
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