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<p>Here's hoping there is not repeat of the dozens and dozens of
reports of voter fraud that accompanied the obamanation
"elections."</p>
<p>There's got to be some way to hold these people's feet to the
fire.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/20/2016 03:01 PM, Phillip Showers
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<div dir="ltr">How does expressing a hope that 'real hackers'
would invalidate our national elections by cracking the election
systems in place, to 'make sure' someone else doesn't do it in
any way help the situation, within your thought experiment? The
act of cracking a machine invalidates its output, whether the
cracker is wearing a white or a black hat.
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<div>The only real way to secure the election would be for
those states with electronic ballot machines to go back to
paper ballots, so that there is a physical proof of a vote.
The best outcome, if people were really worried about
blackhat cracking, would be to remove computers from the
system. Additionally, though some voting machines have been
shown to have hardware vulnerabilities, these are mitigated
by vote staff watching to make sure that no one plugs
anything into the back of the machines. At the end of the
day it returns to trust. You either trust that your vote
will count or you don't. If you don't, then don't bother
voting. Problem solved. QED</div>
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<div>Cheers!</div>
<div>Phil</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:32 AM David <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ainut@knology.net">ainut@knology.net</a>>
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<p>In case you didn't notice, it IS about hacking.</p>
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<div>On 09/20/2016 09:46 AM, Travis Crumpton wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">The ML-General list is for public discussion
about making, hacking, and creating, not shop politics,
please use the proper list for this type of discussion</p>
<p dir="ltr">Thank you, <br>
Travis</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 20, 2016 8:03 AM, "Kirk
D Mccann" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div dir="ltr">Sounds like a little kid trying to
get payback when things doesn't go their way.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at
6:17 AM, wesleyswift2 <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Yeah. One of the candidates is
already claiming voter fraud. Wants all
the yahoos to rise up if he doesn't win. </div>
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Date: 9/20/16 12:35 AM (GMT-06:00) <br>
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Subject: [ML-General] elections -
thought experiment` <br>
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Wouldn't it be fantastic if the real
computer hackers made sure the <br>
upcoming prez election was valid and not
faked???<br>
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