[General] vehicle black boxes

[James Fluhler]

While I do agree with the open concept and the "why not" approach; I am not
convinced it is used to determine fault, it frankly does not record enough
information to prove fault. Although it could be used as evidence. But
there are a lot of other pieces of evidence in a car crash that help to
determine fault. I would say perhaps the single most valuable piece of
information it could record to determine fault would be speed of travel.
Toyota would argue with you that it shouldn't be used to reconstruct an
accident.

As for mandatory open, in some way I feel forcing open content is just as
bad as allowing closed. The manufacturer should have the right to make
their systems open or not, we have the right as the consumer to buy or not
buy.


On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:36 PM, WebDawg <webdawg at gmail.com> wrote:

> Why not?  An undocumented box that police and insurance companies use to
> tell if you are at fault.  Who even knows if it works correctly and even
> gives real true data.
>
> Its like the voting machine thing.
>
> Something like this should be mandatory open, not locked up to protect car
> manufactures.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:15 AM, James Fluhler <j.fluhler at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Just curious but why would you want to disable it? Presuming it does not
>> emit a signal and is simply a data recorder in the vent of a crash.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 5:20 PM, WebDawg <webdawg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would think about, from what I have read so far, instead of disabling
>>> it (says integrated into electronics) figuring out a way to auto wipe it.
>>>
>>> It looks like it records around the crash, and has limited capacity.
>>>
>>> http://wiki.hackspherelabs.com/index.php?title=2010_Chevy_Equinox
>>>
>>> Chevy has a GMLAN interface that lets you do all sorts of stuff, i never
>>> got into it but you can intercept and send commands.  if the box is linked
>>> to it, that would be a start.
>>>
>>> Someone just interfaced with a car at defcon or some conference I
>>> thought.
>>>
>>> You are going to have to hack it.  I mean read this (i know it is crappy
>>> fox news)
>>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/03/04/toyota-secretive-black-box-data/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:12 PM, David <ainut at knology.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just discovered my Toyota truck has a "black box," a data recorder in
>>>> it.  How can I disable that <censored> and still have the truck work?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> David Merchant
>>>>
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