[General] vehicle black boxes

[James Fluhler]

to clarify i meant Toyota would agree with you that it should not be used
to reconstruct.


On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:51 PM, James Fluhler <j.fluhler at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:51 PM, James Fluhler <j.fluhler at gmail.com>wrote:
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>> While I do agree with the open concept and the "why not" approach; I am
>> not convinced it is used to determine fault, it frankly does not record
>> enough information to prove fault. Although it could be used as evidence.
>> But there are a lot of other pieces of evidence in a car crash that help to
>> determine fault. I would say perhaps the single most valuable piece of
>> information it could record to determine fault would be speed of travel.
>> Toyota would argue with you that it shouldn't be used to reconstruct an
>> accident.
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>> As for mandatory open, in some way I feel forcing open content is just as
>> bad as allowing closed. The manufacturer should have the right to make
>> their systems open or not, we have the right as the consumer to buy or not
>> buy.
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>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:36 PM, WebDawg <webdawg at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Why not?  An undocumented box that police and insurance companies use to
>>> tell if you are at fault.  Who even knows if it works correctly and even
>>> gives real true data.
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>>> Its like the voting machine thing.
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>>> Something like this should be mandatory open, not locked up to protect
>>> car manufactures.
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>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:15 AM, James Fluhler <j.fluhler at gmail.com>wrote:
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>>>> Just curious but why would you want to disable it? Presuming it does
>>>> not emit a signal and is simply a data recorder in the vent of a crash.
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>>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 5:20 PM, WebDawg <webdawg at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> I would think about, from what I have read so far, instead of
>>>>> disabling it (says integrated into electronics) figuring out a way to auto
>>>>> wipe it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like it records around the crash, and has limited capacity.
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>>>>> http://wiki.hackspherelabs.com/index.php?title=2010_Chevy_Equinox
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>>>>> Chevy has a GMLAN interface that lets you do all sorts of stuff, i
>>>>> never got into it but you can intercept and send commands.  if the box is
>>>>> linked to it, that would be a start.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone just interfaced with a car at defcon or some conference I
>>>>> thought.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are going to have to hack it.  I mean read this (i know it is
>>>>> crappy fox news)
>>>>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/03/04/toyota-secretive-black-box-data/
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>>>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:12 PM, David <ainut at knology.net> wrote:
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>>>>>> Just discovered my Toyota truck has a "black box," a data recorder in
>>>>>> it.  How can I disable that <censored> and still have the truck work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> David Merchant
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