[ML-General] Smallest NFC tags on market
david
ainut at knology.net
Tue Jul 7 13:56:09 CDT 2015
What ever happened to that effort?
On 04/22/15 20:12, Jordan Beazley wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 7:54 PM, WebDawg <webdawg at gmail.com
> <mailto:webdawg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Yeh. What the hell? I just spent 460$ on a portable server
> rack. It does not have RFIDs or Cameras yet, but is that expensive?
>
> I am purchasing RFIDs now. I plan to upload fake identity data to
> them so idiots will clone the data and get detained by homeland
> security. We can all fight the good fight.
>
> After that, I was going to head to the local Starbucks, get my
> mocha enema, and hack the planet using java. I might have to bust
> out the HTML.
>
> ....
>
> If you are not actively exploiting the treasures that new
> technology gives, it is your loss. I for one cannot wait until
> they throw RFIDs in everything, it is just more to play with. How
> else will I get my free coffee with my fake internet money?
>
> Are you telling me that you do not want companies to invest in new
> crazy tech?
>
> I would not have been tearing RFID's out of books, I would have
> been switching them.
>
> How are they going to tell who I am with my infrared laser mask
> and my shirt with 1000 rfid's in it?
>
> If you are pissed at people taking advantage of it, I do not know
> what to tell you. But how the hell are you to convince anyone
> that the sky really is falling without sending some of the rain
> their way?
>
> People do not listen until they need to. It is going to get worse
> and worse until one day the Laughing Man
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laughing_Man_%28Ghost_in_the_Shell%29)
> shows them wrong.
>
> Security will never drive a consumer market, ever. How many times
> have you seen convenience over security? How many passwords do
> you have shared across multiple accounts? How many of these app
> startups have proven that they had weak security models? Why the
> hell do people use facebook when there are much better more secure
> social networking sites out there?
>
> You think business really care about security? Does your business
> use smartcards? Do they encrypt all there data? Why the hell are
> we all sending emails in plain text still? Why do I still have a
> social security card instead of a smart card? Is every protocol
> that you use encrypted? It is not like we still use 486's that
> bog down with simple ciphers. Why is CIFS still a thing? WHY THE
> HELL ARE PEOPLE STILL TRUSTING WINDOWS, AT ALL?
>
> Why the hell would someone put an RFID in a dam passport?
>
> Because a majority of the world does not give a dam until it
> personally effects them and some idiot convinced them that it was
> a good idea and it would save money or some crap. You want to fix
> the passport problem? Join the passport office fixer group, or
> submit some legislation to fix it. See how many circles you can
> go in before you give up. It is what they want to happen. Or
> just release the 0-day because it might motivate someone to
> actually do something about it. To improve is to change; to be
> perfect is to change often.
>
> There are solutions to our problems, but no one but a select few
> want them. The government likes the control, the general
> population likes the convenience, hackers like to play, and coders
> HATE to waste time. Who is left to fix it but a bunch of people
> that sound crazy to the average folk? Someone call you paranoid
> lately?
>
> I do not have the time or the money to setup my quantum
> communication device or build a neutrino beam to bypass it all but
> some day I hope to.
>
> I know it sounds ridiculous because of the lack of evidence, and I
> am stating this because some guy at the recent RSA conference said
> that no secure device exists: What do you think a intergalactic
> space faring civilization uses to secure there comms?
> Radiowaves? AES-512 on silicon processors? HAH.
>
> We are still children in the universe of technology, and without
> perusing it further, and pushing it harder, we will never grow up.
>
> I am glad to see passion in any sense really, because too many
> people let stuff slide any more. I think we all should continue
> to fix this broken world. Form a dam opinion, but when you say it,
> please help me understand exactly what you are talking about.
>
> I figured since we were all on rants, I should add some stuff.
> Have a good day.
>
>
> hey web dawg,
>
> we know y'all and say good for y'all if it makes y'all happy. it's
> more green for us who make the stuff. didn't really read all of this
> but what we did see made us laugh
>
> y'all have a good day, too.
>
> sent from our ms-dos 3.14
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:55 PM, david <ainut at knology.net
> <mailto:ainut at knology.net>> wrote:
>
> If y'all don't mind ---
>
> Before you go, Jordan, please define some of your phrases, like:
> "script kiddie classes" - Is that a reference to shell
> scripts, Arduino "sketch" scripts, or what?
> "expensive toys" - is there a certain dollar point where this
> term applies?
>
> Thanks,
> David Merchant
>
>
>
>
> On 04/22/15 17:47, Ryen Katherine wrote:
>> Jordan,
>>
>> If you find the tech to be not up to your security standards,
>> then by all means, don't use it. But insulting those that
>> have no problem using it is incredibly rude, and I must ask
>> that you desist.
>>
>> Ryen Katherine
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Jordan Beazley
>> <gothsburnedrome at gmail.com
>> <mailto:gothsburnedrome at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> I forgot that I'm dealing with chuckleheads from Secret
>>> Access Is Cached here
>>>
>>> http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/02/04/1320223/hackers-clone-passports-in-driveby-rfid-heist
>>>
>>> it's not about the secrecy of the data stored. your position
>>> can be tracked with rfid so why you would voluntarily use
>>> that is beyond me
>>>
>>> and someone can tell more than when you walk past the
>>> scanners in wally world if they're looking for you
>>>
>>> those of you who actually do shit that you worry about
>>> rather than play with expensive toys to satiate the script
>>> kiddie class will know
>>>
>>> the rest of you nerds have fun now
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Stephan Henning
>>> <shenning at gmail.com <mailto:shenning at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Pretty sure it's a bit more complicated than that.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Hunter Fuller
>>> <hfuller at pixilic.com <mailto:hfuller at pixilic.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Range is more of a function of the reader in that
>>> way. A determined reader has the potential to read
>>> tags for quite some distance.
>>>
>>> On Apr 22, 2015 11:23 AM, "david" <ainut at knology.net
>>> <mailto:ainut at knology.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, if these have such a limited range of only
>>> a few centimeters, you have to want it to be
>>> read, seems like.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/22/15 07:47, Jordan Beazley wrote:
>>>> why are we wanting to bring government spying
>>>> into a hackerspace again with son of rfid?
>>>> weren't we all cutting rfids out of our gap
>>>> clothes and library books a few years ago? now
>>>> we want them?
>>>>
>>>> guys this is why I still use a nokia, which is
>>>> smarter than a smart phone IMHO . none of that
>>>> bilderberg beam stuff
>>>>
>>>> ray back me up on this
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Kirk D Mccann
>>>> <kirk.mccann at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:kirk.mccann at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So have we decided to all go in together or
>>>> will the shop just purchase a bunch for
>>>> purchase.
>>>>
>>>> Here is where the vending machine for
>>>> components would be nice. Though I think
>>>> the vending machine would need to be the
>>>> size of a small warehouse.
>>>>
>>>> -Kirk
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Hunter
>>>> Fuller <hfuller at pixilic.com
>>>> <mailto:hfuller at pixilic.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'll get in on it.
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 21, 2015 2:46 PM, "Jeff Cotten"
>>>> <omegix at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:omegix at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am going to place an order for
>>>> (what I believe) is the smallest
>>>> purchasable NFC enabled sticker. I
>>>> plan on sticking it on the back of
>>>> my wristband as a way to get into
>>>> the makeshop.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone would like to be added to
>>>> this order, they are $1.13 each,
>>>> shipping and handling and VAT
>>>> around $7 (it's out of the UK).
>>>>
>>>> http://rapidnfc.com/item/313/clear_nfc_tags_ntag213_midas
>>>>
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