[General] vehicle black boxes

[James Fluhler]

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:51 PM, James Fluhler <j.fluhler at gmail.com> wrote:

> While I do agree with the open concept and the "why not" approach; I am
> not convinced it is used to determine fault, it frankly does not record
> enough information to prove fault. Although it could be used as evidence.
> But there are a lot of other pieces of evidence in a car crash that help to
> determine fault. I would say perhaps the single most valuable piece of
> information it could record to determine fault would be speed of travel.
> Toyota would argue with you that it shouldn't be used to reconstruct an
> accident.
>
> As for mandatory open, in some way I feel forcing open content is just as
> bad as allowing closed. The manufacturer should have the right to make
> their systems open or not, we have the right as the consumer to buy or not
> buy.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:36 PM, WebDawg <webdawg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why not?  An undocumented box that police and insurance companies use to
>> tell if you are at fault.  Who even knows if it works correctly and even
>> gives real true data.
>>
>> Its like the voting machine thing.
>>
>> Something like this should be mandatory open, not locked up to protect
>> car manufactures.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:15 AM, James Fluhler <j.fluhler at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Just curious but why would you want to disable it? Presuming it does not
>>> emit a signal and is simply a data recorder in the vent of a crash.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 5:20 PM, WebDawg <webdawg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would think about, from what I have read so far, instead of disabling
>>>> it (says integrated into electronics) figuring out a way to auto wipe it.
>>>>
>>>> It looks like it records around the crash, and has limited capacity.
>>>>
>>>> http://wiki.hackspherelabs.com/index.php?title=2010_Chevy_Equinox
>>>>
>>>> Chevy has a GMLAN interface that lets you do all sorts of stuff, i
>>>> never got into it but you can intercept and send commands.  if the box is
>>>> linked to it, that would be a start.
>>>>
>>>> Someone just interfaced with a car at defcon or some conference I
>>>> thought.
>>>>
>>>> You are going to have to hack it.  I mean read this (i know it is
>>>> crappy fox news)
>>>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/03/04/toyota-secretive-black-box-data/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:12 PM, David <ainut at knology.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just discovered my Toyota truck has a "black box," a data recorder in
>>>>> it.  How can I disable that <censored> and still have the truck work?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> David Merchant
>>>>>
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