[ML-General] Smallest NFC tags on market

david ainut at knology.net
Tue Jul 7 13:56:09 CDT 2015


What ever happened to that effort?



On 04/22/15 20:12, Jordan Beazley wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 7:54 PM, WebDawg <webdawg at gmail.com 
> <mailto:webdawg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Yeh.  What the hell?  I just spent 460$ on a portable server
>     rack.  It does not have RFIDs or Cameras yet, but is that expensive?
>
>     I am purchasing RFIDs now.  I plan to upload fake identity data to
>     them so idiots will clone the data and get detained by homeland
>     security.  We can all fight the good fight.
>
>     After that, I was going to head to the local Starbucks, get my
>     mocha enema, and hack the planet using java.  I might have to bust
>     out the HTML.
>
>     ....
>
>     If you are not actively exploiting the treasures that new
>     technology gives, it is your loss.  I for one cannot wait until
>     they throw RFIDs in everything, it is just more to play with.  How
>     else will I get my free coffee with my fake internet money?
>
>     Are you telling me that you do not want companies to invest in new
>     crazy tech?
>
>     I would not have been tearing RFID's out of books, I would have
>     been switching them.
>
>     How are they going to tell who I am with my infrared laser mask
>     and my shirt with 1000 rfid's in it?
>
>     If you are pissed at people taking advantage of it, I do not know
>     what to tell you.  But how the hell are you to convince anyone
>     that the sky really is falling without sending some of the rain
>     their way?
>
>     People do not listen until they need to.  It is going to get worse
>     and worse until one day the Laughing Man
>     (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laughing_Man_%28Ghost_in_the_Shell%29)
>     shows them wrong.
>
>     Security will never drive a consumer market, ever.  How many times
>     have you seen convenience over security?  How many passwords do
>     you have shared across multiple accounts?  How many of these app
>     startups have proven that they had weak security models?  Why the
>     hell do people use facebook when there are much better more secure
>     social networking sites out there?
>
>     You think business really care about security?  Does your business
>     use smartcards? Do they encrypt all there data?  Why the hell are
>     we all sending emails in plain text still?  Why do I still have a
>     social security card instead of a smart card?  Is every protocol
>     that you use encrypted?  It is not like we still use 486's that
>     bog down with simple ciphers.  Why is CIFS still a thing? WHY THE
>     HELL ARE PEOPLE STILL TRUSTING WINDOWS, AT ALL?
>
>     Why the hell would someone put an RFID in a dam passport?
>
>     Because a majority of the world does not give a dam until it
>     personally effects them and some idiot convinced them that it was
>     a good idea and it would save money or some crap.  You want to fix
>     the passport problem?  Join the passport office fixer group,  or
>     submit some legislation to fix it.  See how many circles you can
>     go in before you give up.  It is what they want to happen.  Or
>     just release the 0-day because it might motivate someone to
>     actually do something about it.  To improve is to change; to be
>     perfect is to change often.
>
>     There are solutions to our problems, but no one but a select few
>     want them.  The government likes the control, the general
>     population likes the convenience, hackers like to play, and coders
>     HATE to waste time.  Who is left to fix it but a bunch of people
>     that sound crazy to the average folk? Someone call you paranoid
>     lately?
>
>     I do not have the time or the money to setup my quantum
>     communication device or build a neutrino beam to bypass it all but
>     some day I hope to.
>
>     I know it sounds ridiculous because of the lack of evidence, and I
>     am stating this because some guy at the recent RSA conference said
>     that no secure device exists:  What do you think a intergalactic
>     space faring civilization uses to secure there comms? 
>     Radiowaves?  AES-512 on silicon processors?  HAH.
>
>     We are still children in the universe of technology, and without
>     perusing it further, and pushing it harder, we will never grow up.
>
>     I am glad to see passion in any sense really, because too many
>     people let stuff slide any more.  I think we all should continue
>     to fix this broken world. Form a dam opinion, but when you say it,
>     please help me understand exactly what you are talking about.
>
>     I figured since we were all on rants, I should add some stuff. 
>     Have a good day.
>
>
> hey web dawg,
>
> we know y'all and say good for y'all if it makes y'all happy. it's 
> more green for us who make the stuff. didn't really read all of this 
> but what we did see made us laugh
>
> y'all have a good day, too.
>
> sent from our ms-dos 3.14
>
>
>     On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:55 PM, david <ainut at knology.net
>     <mailto:ainut at knology.net>> wrote:
>
>         If y'all don't mind ---
>
>         Before you go, Jordan, please define some of your phrases, like:
>         "script kiddie classes" - Is that a reference to shell
>         scripts, Arduino "sketch" scripts, or what?
>         "expensive toys" - is there a certain dollar point where this
>         term applies?
>
>         Thanks,
>         David Merchant
>
>
>
>
>         On 04/22/15 17:47, Ryen Katherine wrote:
>>         Jordan,
>>
>>         If you find the tech to be not up to your security standards,
>>         then by all means, don't use it. But insulting those that
>>         have no problem using it is incredibly rude, and I must ask
>>         that you desist.
>>
>>         Ryen Katherine
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Apr 22, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Jordan Beazley
>>         <gothsburnedrome at gmail.com
>>         <mailto:gothsburnedrome at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>>         I forgot that I'm dealing with chuckleheads from Secret
>>>         Access Is Cached here
>>>
>>>         http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/02/04/1320223/hackers-clone-passports-in-driveby-rfid-heist
>>>
>>>         it's not about the secrecy of the data stored. your position
>>>         can be tracked with rfid so why you would voluntarily use
>>>         that is beyond me
>>>
>>>         and someone can tell more than when you walk past the
>>>         scanners in wally world if they're looking for you
>>>
>>>         those of you who actually do shit that you worry about
>>>         rather than play with expensive toys to satiate the script
>>>         kiddie class will know
>>>
>>>         the rest of you nerds have fun now
>>>
>>>         On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Stephan Henning
>>>         <shenning at gmail.com <mailto:shenning at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Pretty sure it's a bit more complicated than that.
>>>
>>>             On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Hunter Fuller
>>>             <hfuller at pixilic.com <mailto:hfuller at pixilic.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 Range is more of a function of the reader in that
>>>                 way. A determined reader has the potential to read
>>>                 tags for quite some distance.
>>>
>>>                 On Apr 22, 2015 11:23 AM, "david" <ainut at knology.net
>>>                 <mailto:ainut at knology.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     Well, if these have such a limited range of only
>>>                     a few centimeters, you have to want it to be
>>>                     read, seems like.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                     On 04/22/15 07:47, Jordan Beazley wrote:
>>>>                     why are we wanting to bring government spying
>>>>                     into a hackerspace again with son of rfid?
>>>>                     weren't we all cutting rfids out of our gap
>>>>                     clothes and library books a few years ago? now
>>>>                     we want them?
>>>>
>>>>                     guys this is why I still use a nokia, which is
>>>>                     smarter than a smart phone IMHO . none of that
>>>>                     bilderberg beam stuff
>>>>
>>>>                     ray back me up on this
>>>>
>>>>                     On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Kirk D Mccann
>>>>                     <kirk.mccann at gmail.com
>>>>                     <mailto:kirk.mccann at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                         So have we decided to all go in together or
>>>>                         will the shop just purchase a bunch for
>>>>                         purchase.
>>>>
>>>>                         Here is where the vending machine for
>>>>                         components would be nice.  Though I think
>>>>                         the vending machine would need to be the
>>>>                         size of a small warehouse.
>>>>
>>>>                         -Kirk
>>>>
>>>>                         On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Hunter
>>>>                         Fuller <hfuller at pixilic.com
>>>>                         <mailto:hfuller at pixilic.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                             I'll get in on it.
>>>>
>>>>                             On Apr 21, 2015 2:46 PM, "Jeff Cotten"
>>>>                             <omegix at gmail.com
>>>>                             <mailto:omegix at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                 I am going to place an order for
>>>>                                 (what I believe) is the smallest
>>>>                                 purchasable NFC enabled sticker.  I
>>>>                                 plan on sticking it on the back of
>>>>                                 my wristband as a way to get into
>>>>                                 the makeshop.
>>>>
>>>>                                 If anyone would like to be added to
>>>>                                 this order, they are $1.13 each,
>>>>                                 shipping and handling and VAT
>>>>                                 around $7 (it's out of the UK).
>>>>
>>>>                                 http://rapidnfc.com/item/313/clear_nfc_tags_ntag213_midas
>>>>
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