[ML-General] Smallest NFC tags on market

Wed Apr 22 19:54:44 CDT 2015

Yeh.  What the hell?  I just spent 460$ on a portable server rack.  It does
not have RFIDs or Cameras yet, but is that expensive?

I am purchasing RFIDs now.  I plan to upload fake identity data to them so
idiots will clone the data and get detained by homeland security.  We can
all  fight the good fight.

After that, I was going to head to the local Starbucks, get my mocha enema,
and hack the planet using java.  I might have to bust out the HTML.

....

If you are not actively exploiting the treasures that new technology gives,
it is your loss.  I for one cannot wait until they throw RFIDs in
everything, it is just more to play with.  How else will I get my free
coffee with my fake internet money?

Are you telling me that you do not want companies to invest in new crazy
tech?

I would not have been tearing RFID's out of books, I would have been
switching them.

How are they going to tell who I am with my infrared laser mask and my
shirt with 1000 rfid's in it?

If you are pissed at people taking advantage of it, I do not know what to
tell you.  But how the hell are you to convince anyone that the sky really
is falling without sending some of the rain their way?

People do not listen until they need to.  It is going to get worse and
worse until one day the Laughing Man (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laughing_Man_%28Ghost_in_the_Shell%29) shows
them wrong.

Security will never drive a consumer market, ever.  How many times have you
seen convenience over security?  How many passwords do you have shared
across multiple accounts?  How many of these app startups have proven that
they had weak security models?  Why the hell do people use facebook when
there are much better more secure social networking sites out there?

You think business really care about security?  Does your business use
smartcards?  Do they encrypt all there data?  Why the hell are we all
sending emails in plain text still?  Why do I still have a social security
card instead of a smart card?  Is every protocol that you use encrypted?
It is not like we still use 486's that bog down with simple ciphers.  Why
is CIFS still a thing?  WHY THE HELL ARE PEOPLE STILL TRUSTING WINDOWS, AT
ALL?

Why the hell would someone put an RFID in a dam passport?

Because a majority of the world does not give a dam until it personally
effects them and some idiot convinced them that it was a good idea and it
would save money or some crap.  You want to fix the passport problem?  Join
the passport office fixer group,  or submit some legislation to fix it.
See how many circles you can go in before you give up.  It is what they
want to happen.  Or just release the 0-day because it might motivate
someone to actually do something about it.  To improve is to change; to be
perfect is to change often.

There are solutions to our problems, but no one but a select few want
them.  The government likes the control, the general population likes the
convenience, hackers like to play, and coders HATE to waste time.  Who is
left to fix it but a bunch of people that sound crazy to the average folk?
Someone call you paranoid lately?

I do not have the time or the money to setup my quantum communication
device or build a neutrino beam to bypass it all but some day I hope to.

I know it sounds ridiculous because of the lack of evidence, and I am
stating this because some guy at the recent RSA conference said that no
secure device exists:  What do you think a intergalactic space faring
civilization uses to secure there comms?  Radiowaves?  AES-512 on silicon
processors?  HAH.

We are still children in the universe of technology, and without perusing
it further, and pushing it harder, we will never grow up.

I am glad to see passion in any sense really, because too many people let
stuff slide any more.  I think we all should continue to fix this broken
world.  Form a dam opinion, but when you say it, please help me understand
exactly what you are talking about.

I figured since we were all on rants, I should add some stuff.  Have a good
day.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:55 PM, david <ainut at knology.net> wrote:

>  If y'all don't mind ---
>
> Before you go, Jordan, please define some of your phrases, like:
> "script kiddie classes" - Is that a reference to shell scripts, Arduino
> "sketch" scripts, or what?
> "expensive toys" - is there a certain dollar point where this term applies?
>
> Thanks,
> David Merchant
>
>
>
>
> On 04/22/15 17:47, Ryen Katherine wrote:
>
> Jordan,
>
>  If you find the tech to be not up to your security standards, then by
> all means, don't use it. But insulting those that have no problem using it
> is incredibly rude, and I must ask that you desist.
>
>  Ryen Katherine
>
>
>
> On Apr 22, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Jordan Beazley <gothsburnedrome at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>   I forgot that I'm dealing with chuckleheads from Secret Access Is
> Cached here
>
>
> http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/02/04/1320223/hackers-clone-passports-in-driveby-rfid-heist
>
> it's not about the secrecy of the data stored. your position can be
> tracked with rfid so why you would voluntarily use that is beyond me
>
> and someone can tell more than when you walk past the scanners in wally
> world if they're looking for you
>
> those of you who actually do shit that you worry about rather than play
> with expensive toys to satiate the script kiddie class will know
>
>  the rest of you nerds have fun now
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Stephan Henning <shenning at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Pretty sure it's a bit more complicated than that.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Hunter Fuller <hfuller at pixilic.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Range is more of a function of the reader in that way. A determined
>>> reader has the potential to read tags for quite some distance.
>>>  On Apr 22, 2015 11:23 AM, "david" <ainut at knology.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Well, if these have such a limited range of only a few centimeters,
>>>> you have to want it to be read, seems like.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 04/22/15 07:47, Jordan Beazley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  why are we wanting to bring government spying into a hackerspace
>>>> again with son of rfid? weren't we all cutting rfids out of our gap clothes
>>>> and library books a few years ago? now we want them?
>>>>
>>>>  guys this is why I still use a nokia, which is smarter than a smart
>>>> phone IMHO . none of that bilderberg beam stuff
>>>>
>>>>  ray back me up on this
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Kirk D Mccann <kirk.mccann at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So have we decided to all go in together or will the shop just
>>>>> purchase a bunch for purchase.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Here is where the vending machine for components would be nice.
>>>>> Though I think the vending machine would need to be the size of a small
>>>>> warehouse.
>>>>>
>>>>>  -Kirk
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Hunter Fuller <hfuller at pixilic.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll get in on it.
>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2015 2:46 PM, "Jeff Cotten" <omegix at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I am going to place an order for (what I believe) is the smallest
>>>>>>> purchasable NFC enabled sticker.  I plan on sticking it on the back of my
>>>>>>> wristband as a way to get into the makeshop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  If anyone would like to be added to this order, they are $1.13
>>>>>>> each, shipping and handling and VAT around $7 (it's out of the UK).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://rapidnfc.com/item/313/clear_nfc_tags_ntag213_midas
>>>>>>>
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