[General] vehicle black boxes

[Tyler Crumpton]

Justin, David,

Please take this discussion off of the mailing list if you wish to continue
to argue. This is anti-constructive and no longer on-topic.

Thanks,
Tyler

Tyler Crumpton
tyler.crumpton at gmail.com


On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Justin Richards <ratmandu at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nope, it was your responsibility to learn about the item you purchased.
> You did not research something you spent tens of thousands of dollars on.
> It's all on you, buddy.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 3:30 PM, David <ainut at knology.net> wrote:
>
>>  Are you going to fund that, Justin?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Justin Richards wrote:
>>
>> This isn't some kind of *illuminati conspiracy*, this is a device that
>> records the last few seconds of vehicle telemetry, including airbag
>> deployment info, vehicle speed, brake application time, brake force,
>> throttle position, accelerometer and roll/yaw data, steering position,
>> etc.
>>
>>  It can be used to determine fault, though it is not enough to truly
>> determine that, and anyway, 99% of the time, nobody will ever look at it.
>>
>>  It's not something that's open, not because the car manufacturers need
>> to be protected, but because giving that much raw data to your standard
>> lay-person, especially after a wreck, is like giving ECG output of a person
>> having a heart attack to a monkey, and asking the monkey to identify the
>> person who gave that guy a heart attack. That much raw data is going to
>> confuse and enrage, and there is also the issue of bias.
>>
>>  If you feel that it is an issue, in the event of a wreck, you can deny
>> law enforcement access to your OBDII port at the scene of the wreck, and
>> request they get a warrant for the data, in which case you should become
>> familiar with the location of the EDR, and destroy it before they get the
>> warrant, at which point you might get a nice charge of destruction of
>> evidence.
>>
>>  Otherwise, *go get a vehicle that does not have an EDR.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:36 PM, WebDawg <webdawg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Why not?  An undocumented box that police and insurance companies use
>>> to tell if you are at fault.  Who even knows if it works correctly and even
>>> gives real true data.
>>>
>>>  Its like the voting machine thing.
>>>
>>>  Something like this should be mandatory open, not locked up to protect
>>> car manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:15 AM, James Fluhler <j.fluhler at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just curious but why would you want to disable it? Presuming it does
>>>> not emit a signal and is simply a data recorder in the vent of a crash.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 5:20 PM, WebDawg <webdawg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  I would think about, from what I have read so far, instead of
>>>>> disabling it (says integrated into electronics) figuring out a way to auto
>>>>> wipe it.
>>>>>
>>>>>  It looks like it records around the crash, and has limited capacity.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.hackspherelabs.com/index.php?title=2010_Chevy_Equinox
>>>>>
>>>>>  Chevy has a GMLAN interface that lets you do all sorts of stuff, i
>>>>> never got into it but you can intercept and send commands.  if the box is
>>>>> linked to it, that would be a start.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone just interfaced with a car at defcon or some conference I
>>>>> thought.
>>>>>
>>>>>  You are going to have to hack it.  I mean read this (i know it is
>>>>> crappy fox news)
>>>>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/03/04/toyota-secretive-black-box-data/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:12 PM, David <ainut at knology.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just discovered my Toyota truck has a "black box," a data recorder in
>>>>>> it.  How can I disable that <censored> and still have the truck work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> David Merchant
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